Comments on: Three Navy SEALs face trial

By: nicole

nicole — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:59:25 +0000

Thank you John, for showing me exactly what kind of person you are.
You think just like a terrorist. People who don’t think like you are not humans, they are animals. People who don’t think like you need to “get a life” need to “see a loved one or friend finished as a result of their actions”. That describes 90% of the reasons people become terrorists. Because they feel oppressed because they have seen loved ones die at the hands of the “”enemy” because they feel helpless.

As an officer of the law I’m sure you know this sentence: “Innocent until proven guilty.” Clearly you have a problem with it.

Thank you for treating me as less of a person than you feel you are. I appreciate it. It means I don’t have to take you seriously.

By: John

John — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:24:48 +0000

Nicole,

You are part of the problem, not the solution.

These animals do not deserve all the rights afforded to our citizens. They are TERRORISTS plain and simple.

I was a policeman & detective for 30 years. I gave rights to many killers and wrongdoers. I spent time digging and taking loved ones to Ground Zero and saw what these animals did.

What is your experience and background? Get a life!

You need to see a loved one or friend finished as a result of their actions.

The ACLU needs you, we don’t.

By: nicole

nicole — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:35:03 +0000

Steve, I sincerely hope you’re not in a position to do that. I also hope you are not involved in the military in any way.

Innocent until _proven_ guilty.
Or would you like that to be changed? then you could land yourself in a situation where you’re being beaten up without a trial and your perpetrator would get a medal? Or would you like it to be changed for non americans only? Non white americans? Non christian americans?

By: Steve Hawkins

Steve Hawkins — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:48:29 +0000

Excuse me?? This pond-scum, low-life terrorist got a split lip…. and in response we are persecuting 3 American heroes??

That’s right….. “HEROES”. These guys risk everything they have in service to our country. They capture someone who is a huge, huge threat to every American. We in turn get all whiney because they slapped up a terrorist. Nice message we are sending.

Personally, I wish I could given this guy a couple punches to the head and a well placed kick to the groin. I would feel no guilt whatsoever.

By: nicole

nicole — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:47:57 +0000

If they truly acted in self defence they will not be found guilty! That’s the whole point of putting them before court. That’s why it’s so important to go through the motions, of doing it fairly and equally and without exceptions. So nobody can say “They put our people in front of court and they don’t put their own people in front of court.” so nobody can say America has double standards.

If you could take away basic human rights from terrorists, what would stop you from taking them away from anyone else?

By: nicole

nicole — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:09:39 +0000

Cindy, the legal system I’m talking about is based on the UN human rights. They don’t just apply to law abiding Americans, they apply to all human beings. And by signing the charter America recognises them, which means America recognises that all human beings, regardless of race, colour, sex, religious beliefs,… have the same, basic human rights. Even if they are terrorists they still have human rights. There are no exceptions.

I’m not saying let the terrorists walk free. I’m really not. But they need to have a fair trial so nobody can step up afterwards and say they were treated unfairly, and if they had been treated fair they would not have been found guilty.
What they did was terrible. They should be punished for it. But not by individuals. Not without a trial.

By: Marliss Melton

Marliss Melton — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:18:22 +0000

I wish I had your eloquence, Cindy. And, Nicole, I definitely see your point. I’ve been on the receiving end of a monster, myself. If I had split his lip in self defense, I wouldn’t have been treated like a criminal, though, because I’d have been acting in self defense. That’s what our SEALs are doing for us. They’re defending us from monsters. But you are welcome to stand for what you believe in. That’s the great thing about this country.

By: cindy gerard

cindy gerard — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:04:30 +0000

Oh, Nicole, of course I don’t condone violence. I hate it. I hate what happened to you and to anyone who’s been a victim of a violent crime. And I truly hate that we must send our young people, our sons and daughters, into harm’s way, have them do their job and then be forced to face the prospect of a court martial for doing it.
With all due respect, you’re argument pertains to a legal system set in place to protect law abiding American citizens. The man these SEALS captured is neither law abiding nor a US citizen. To refresh: Ahmed Hashim Abed is a KNOWN terrorist, in addition to being the accused brains behind the grisly ambush of four U.S. contractors in Fallujah in 2004. The contractors were protecting a convoy when they were attacked by Iraqi insurgents. Their bodies were burned inside their vehicle, dragged through the streets then hanged from a Euphrates River bridge. The cruel episode was photographed and posted online as a warning to the all Infidels. That’s us.
To suggest that this man be allowed a day in court, is, in itself, a travesty because he HAS no sense of justice. Yet our SEALS must face trial? Where is the justice in that?

So sorry. We will, apparently, not see eye to eye on this one.

By: Marliss Melton

Marliss Melton — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:11:14 +0000

Cindy is right. Everyone will have their own opinion about this. I agree with Nicole and Monica in that we should not torture or cold-bloodedly kill the enemy. I just think, in this situation, we are going too far to court martial the SEALs in question. The men did not torture their prisoner. They should be reprimanded for splitting his lip (and lying to cover it up) but not a single one of us has walked in these men’s footsteps nor understands the hostility that they face on a day-to-day basis. I think we should be more understanding. For a split lip, let there be extra duty or the equivalent of community service. We all know there are civilians who do far worse damage than splitting a fellow-man’s lip, and they walk away free. I say, let the punishment fit the crime.

By: nicole

nicole — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:31:55 +0000

Ok, so what you’re saying is that, as long as we’re fighting an evil person, we are allowed to disregard the laws?

Cool. I happen to think my ex is evil. He beat me and kicked me. Can I legally beat him up now? Or can I kill him, in case he tries to do it again? Can I “teach him a lesson” by hurting his family by either killing or injuring one of his family member? Can I put a padlock on his door and force him to stay inside and decide what does and does not enter his house (food, water, medication,…)
Is that all ok because he is an evil person?

Because that’s your argument. Because they’re terrorists, we can do whatever we wish with them. Except… Has it been proven that the beaten up man really is a terrorist? By a court?

You can not measure the same deed with different scales. You can not say “if it’s done to a terrorist it is ok” just like you can not say “If it’s done to a black man it is ok” or “If it’s done to a woman it is ok.” or “If it’s done to someone who doesn’t have the right to vote, it is ok”
It is never ok. It is never right. The ends never justify the means. Never.
If we let this happen once we will let it happen again, and if we do it for a good reason we will soon do it for a bad reason and for no reason at all.

We have a justice system. We need to use it. If we don’t use it for the soldiers, why use it for the civilians?